– [Voiceover] Paul asks, “We get like five views on our video, “three of them being from us. “How do very new and small channels “gain a following when
people don’t interact?” – Paul, nice ratio on your viewership because from Wine Library TV I had a similar thing and it was my grandma and mom, so, I know that world. The reason I was able to build up my channel back in the day and now as well, though I have a bigger base now and you can argue with that, is the quality of the output, right? I mean, at the end of the day, how are you gonna find traction? There’s two ways. One, you can put out great content, that’s what I do. Two, and I don’t know
if that’s what you do, maybe you stink, so we need to talk about that. Two, you need to biz dev. Show this man. Right, so, I’ve done all my biz dev my entire career, but, I’m getting stretched so thin. So, Alex DS is gonna come in and start doing biz dev. So, when I see something from a tweet from one of you, and you want to distribute this content on your page, that used to go to my inbox and it would disappear, or the new WineLibrary.com and there’s wine content there, and I want to get that distributed ’cause you have a food blog, and you’d hit me up on Twitter, that would get passed on. But now, he can capture that and biz dev. So, it’s about biz dev. You now, don’t have
anybody talking about you ’cause you have five views, and all those things. But you need to biz dev in reverse. I’ve been lucky enough to have a 20 year well-executed successful career, so it comes to me, I
deserve it. It’s capitalism. You have not done that yet, but you will, hopefully. I want you to. I want to
look back at this video and be excited that you did. When I didn’t have that, I had to biz dev. When Wine Library was
Shopper’s Discount Liquors and nobody gave a crap, I walked around the neighborhood and knocked on restaurant doors and said, “Can you put these flyers on your counter, “for a 20% off coupon
by the case of wine?” I hustled. You, my friend, need to hustle. Number one, the variable
is your creative. No matter how much you hustle and sell and put out flyers, Steve, and put out flyers. Podcast listeners, that was Steve playing something in the background, I apologize, he just
doesn’t have any manners. I was on a big point too, Steve. No matter how hard I hustle, and put out flyers and made it happen. When people came to Wine Library, if we didn’t have a good selection, if we didn’t get good prices, if we didn’t have good
customer service, we lost. So, the two variables are, can you biz dev, can you make it happen or are you willing to hustle? Do you realize that we can’t be romantic, that, we’re just gonna
put out an awesome show and it’s all gonna work out. Bullshit. What needs to happen is you have to put out an awesome show and hustle your face off 15 hours a day to get people to care. That’s very different
than spamming people. That’s very different
than going on Twitter and be like, “Watch our show, “watch our show, watch our show.” Even in a world where you don’t have a huge audience, you have a way to bring value to somebody. If you can figure out how to do that, and then leverage that value for them to give you what you want which is exposure, you will win. It blows my mind how many people email me every single day saying, “Gary, can you tweet about my show?” In a world where I’m such a hustler and such a biz dev guy, and such a wanter to give
to people on the rise, and none of them ask
what they can do for me, or do something for me. Like, where’s that video,
where’s your video show saying “Hey, we want to do like “five custom GaryVee videos.” In our world, we’ll give ’em to you, you can use them as assets and then maybe you can give us some love. No, because people think about themselves and how do I get views. And what the whole world is predicated on when you’re doing biz dev is, can I give that person
51% of the value of the situation. Because if I do, then they’ll say yes and then I can get 49% of the value, and that’s what I do, day in and day out, and day in and day out. And that’s why I continue to win in a world where people
want 100% of the value. You wanted this question answered ’cause you wanted an answer and you were hoping that you could get on this show
and get the exposure, right, for your channel. You know what?
I’m gonna be a good guy, DRock link it up, there it is. Can’t you do stuff
within the YouTube world? There you go, you got some views. Now, bring some value.

– Hey Gary, it’s Jason Calacanis. Love the new show and
just a question for you. Short or long videos? I like long ones, you do short ones. Who’s right in this situation? What’s the value of
short versus long videos? Explain. – Great question @Jason. Fun to see some of the
internet famous peeps showing up on the show. You know, it’s funny, I hear him say “I like long ones, you like short ones.” Wine Library TV was 30 minutes everyday so I’ve been in the long game unless he’s talking an hour which is fine. But like now we’re
getting into nitpicking. I like both. Here’s what I would say. Avatar, three-plus hour movie. People sat, listened to it, loved it. A tremendous Jerome Jarre, my partner in GrapeStory, six-second Vine video, people
love it, sit through it. I actually think, Jason,
and VaynerNation, that length has no variable on quality. You need to play within your length but you can watch an hour
and forty-minute movie and think it sucks, right? Or you can watch a six-second
Vine and think it sucks to counter my earlier point
of those quality outputs within those time lengths. So, to me, which one’s better? Both, cause I’m a positive guy. Somebody would say neither. And I think it comes down
to what are you doing within those constraints and
I think it becomes contextual. The skill it takes to make
three-hour feature film is very different than the skill it takes to make a six-second Vine video or 15-second Instagram video to capture somebody’s attention. So, that’s my answer. – [Steve] George asks “What’s your take

– [Mayanmurfee] Ben asks, “What do you think about
recent Omnicom advice to move 25 percent of ad
budgets to online video?” – So for the small businesses
or the entrepreneurs, Omnicom is a big kind
of conglomerate agency in my VaynerMedia world these days and they do a lot of what’s
called working media, the dollars you spend for distribution. Not to create content. Something we do a lot in social channels but not on TV, print, radio,
all that kind of stuff so I just want want to set the
stage for that question. The thing that scares me with that general kind of statement is that when people think of online video, they think about spending five, 10 percent of the overall budget, let’s call it 100 thousand dollars, on the video production, the quality, the stuff and 95 on the distribution and then what they spend on, and maybe up to 80. Maybe 80 to 90. Let’s say 80. I want to be polite here
today in San Francisco because it’s got a little
bit more of a polite vibe than New York. Of that 80 percent, they pounded in right hook form. What does online video
mean to most people? Let me just explain what it means. It’s pre-rolls on YouTube where people tab out and don’t actually consume it. You go to espn.com and a video pops up and takes over 30 seconds of my time which pisses me off. And so what I’m most worried about when I hear people allocating and it’s part of the bigger story which is that people talk about moving TV budgets into other places. My problem is I actually like
live television commercials more than I like banner ads on websites and pre-roll video that’s blocking the user from doing what they want. So this isn’t about
traditional or digital. This is are you bringing value and when I hear move from television and put it into online video, what I know is going on in
actual practitioner world is people are spending
that money on online video that is annoying customers and putting it in places
where they don’t want it versus putting more
percentage of the money on actually creating great video and then figuring out a more native way to distribute it. That being said, Facebook dark post video native to me is a very attractive option, especially if you’ve been seeing it, the audio doesn’t play but if you’re into it, you click it. And so that’s my overall thought, which is that in theory it’s great that we’re moving traditional dollars here but I see a lot of people
misplaying digital. – [mayanmurfee] Laura asks,