– Hey, Gary Vee, Scott Wisotsky here, CEO and co-founder of Campus Pursuit. I run a college marketing business, and I wanted to ask you
about niche marketing. In Wine Library did you market
to people interested in wine, specific niches within
the wine community– – Yes. The answer is “yes” and “yes.” One thing in marketing
that I’m a very big fan of is broad and narrow. Tanks and bombers and Navy SEALs, there’s a purpose for both, so we marketed to wine lovers. Then we focused on Burgundy lovers, and especially when SEO came
along and email segmentation in the early 2000. We were buying keywords on not just wine. I always famously talk about owning wine. What I don’t talk about is
what happened the next year: Cabernet Sauvignon, Silver Oak, Burgundy, Chateauneuf du Pape. So we started going narrow. All of us who’ve ever done any
SEM know about the long tail. That’s where all the magic happened once there was supply and demand that’s happening in social now, long tail. And so, (thinking with mouth)
the answer is “yes” and “yes.” You’ve got to really recognize
the tactic dictates– (phone rings) Oh, look at that. I didn’t have this off. The tactic really dictates the purpose. But you’ve always gotta
go broad and narrow to have a complete picture, in my opinion, and so we did both, and
I continue to do both. And I will always do both because they all have a mission at hand. There’s a reason U.S. government
military has Navy SEALs and Green Berets, because
sometimes you can’t just go big, you’ve gotta go narrow, niche, surgical. Facebook dart posts,
18 to 55-year-old males because you’re selling some male thing, and then 18 to 19-year-olds in Texas who like the rodeo and wine. Got it? Both, both, both. (strong, beating music) – [Voiceover] Ruke S, “What would you do

I actually just started
at VaynerMedia yesterday, so I’m on day number two. – Newb. (laughter) Newb. I’m impressed with the hustle though, like sneaking in to the
first episode of questions on your second day? That’s an impressive start. Trying to make an impression on the boss. I, I appreciate it. All right. What’s your question? – Okay, so my question is, so you know how Facebook reach has been going down. – Organic. – And this is the lowest
levels we’ve ever seen. – Yep. – So, I’m curious, what do
you think is the role of organic or unpaid content where the brand is always on
strategy, and the second part– – Within a Facebook world? – Within the Facebook world, and the second part of the question is, just how much reach is
enough to actually justify the time, effort, and
resources that go into producing these assets? – That’s a great question, man. Nice start. Um, you know I think it all depends on size, scale, and objective, right. So I think the biggest problem
that everybody makes is there’s no one size that fits all. Obviously, the brands
that we work with here are at huge scale, versus let’s say a lot of people watching who’ve got a small business. You know, we manage some brand pages that I can think of right now, that are so large in overall size and have done a good job
putting out great content that they’re still getting
hundreds of thousands of impressions organically
without paid up front. Now obviously, all of you have heard me ranting about dark posts for quite a bit. And we even talked about this
when you were interviewing. So for me, you know,
do I feel that Facebook has evolved into a place
that you want to look at 80, 90, even 100% of your posts are being preplanned to its audience and then paid upfront? You know, if you’re a fortune 500 company I do believe that that justifies the case. And I believe that
because I actually think that those working media
dollars, those paid dollars, are a hell of a lot
better spent on Facebook, than they are on traditional
banner or things of that nature places and organizations that you can from giving those kind of advices. So, I think that that’s the case. Now, what’s the threshold? I think that comes down
to the objective at hand. Look you can be a Fortune 500 Company, only reach 16 hundred people organically, but try to be selling
something that’s $10,000 as a B to B product and if you convert four people, and you’re making $40,000 on it. You’re profit margin is 50% and you’ve made $20,000 in profit, and your agency charged you $800 or $1800 well then you justify the means. So I think it’s, one of the biggest things that we try to do here, and one thing I think all of
you need to pay attention to is how do you become
efficient on the back end. I think what’s separating us, and what I’m excited about here, is we’re producing quality
content at a cost level that the market has
never seen before, right? And that’s out advantage, right? That for you, with fresh eyes, is probably the difference
that you’re seeing. That’s what you guys have to think about. For a lot of entrepreneurs
that are watching, and I know that’s a core
of my audience, is is your time worth it. Because it’s not a money
game, it’s a time game. So it’s always resources. To me there is no one size fits all. For all the brand managers,
and the CMOs and the CFOs and the corporates that
are watching the show or listening to the show, I know for a fact that they need to really look at just the math, right. Like, am I paying more
that what I’m reaching. So if you’re paying a
traditional digital video shop $10,000 to make a video, and then you post it organically and it reaches 900
people, that’s off, right. So, I just think that you have
to look at it case by case. – Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

– [Voiceover] Troy asks, “I
work in two different spaces. “How do I use social
media platforms so that “I’m not confusing my audience?” – Troy, this is a very simple question. You adjust to the platform at hand. So we’re very detailed on this show. For Twitter, the way
you don’t confuse them, if you’re talking about
two different things, I’ll, uh, business and
wine talk is you create two different channels and you
have an @winelibrary account and you have an at
@garyvaynerchuk account, Gary Vee, and that’s what I did, or
you just become so branded in both that you feel
comfortable being, kind of, a renaissance man or woman, and you can go that route. But you have to react to the platform. So on Twitter, you just
create two different accounts, and you promote through them. On Facebook though, the
targeting capabilities allows you to just be yourself and
talk to people that act, you can plan, to people
that are 25 to 45 that are into wine and you put out a wine content, and they will like that, and you know, 22 to 27 that are into
podcasts, and you do that, and then they want you
to talk about that thing, so Facebook gives you the
flexibility to target. You know, Twitter does not. And so you’ve gotta adjust. YouTube channel, do you have
two channels, do you have one. This is something we’ve talked about ’cause we wanna chop up
every answer into a question. As a matter of fact, let’s link
up the first one we put up, right the tennis thing. One here. And so, you know… The real answer to this
question, Troy, is you’ve gotta adjust to the platform’s
capability to drive home the fragmentation or
the one channel process, so you go place by place. Pinterest, you can create a board, right, you can have an account, you
can create different boards and on certain boards
you put out content about whatever the hell you’re doing, and whatever the hell you’re
doing that’s different, so you, Tumblr, you can
create a bunch of different kind of, blah, blah, blah .tumblr.com, so that gives you flexibility. So I’m giving you very detailed
answers here, my friend. It’s not super hard, you have
to have the right strategy per the platform based on
the flexibility of that platform to deliver the story. – [Voiceover] Michael asks,
“How do you define hustle?”

“a Kickstarter campaign
beyond providing content “to raise awareness and
reach funding goals?” – Matt, you know. (stammers) I’m bumbling on this. No, no, I’m sticking, DRock,
I just fucking told you that I’m not editing
on any of my mistakes. Jesus with this guy. All you editors are the same, want to take out the natural, authentic. You guys like when I
struggle with my words cause it happens so rarely. (ding) I treat Kickstarter no
different than anything else. Just cause you have an ice
thing that you want to do and you decide to do it on Kickstarter because that’s a platform
that has virality, back to the question
about Medium and Linkedin, that’s fine. The answer is the same. Facebook dark posts, targeting
people that give a crap about ice cream and ices,
putting out content in blog form. Guest contributing. I would literally email
every single person that has a blog of any size or magnitude that plays in your space. I didn’t look deeply, but
if you’re in organic ices or just ices, or desserts
or ice cream culture, I would map out the 700
people that are in that space that have blogs or media outlets and reach out to them and say, “I’d like to guest contribute.” Talk about Italian ices or ice cream or dessert culture in America
or the world, generally, not spamming like, “I want to
tell you about my product.” It’s all about being content and not being about infomercials. Too many of the people watching this show and the rest of the world,
when they think about content they hear Billy Mays, an infomercial. When I think about content, I hear New York Times and Scandal. Get it? It’s about making that decision, and so getting distribution,
putting out good content, and that means guest contributing, Facebook dark posts if you’ve
got money to drive towards it, reaching out to influencers and chefs that are in the dessert space to see if you can JV what I would
call business development. “Hey,” you know, “Mario Batali,” “Here’s what I can do for you. “Give you 8% of my company if you “can get me the spark that
starts out my awareness. “Hey, Carla Hall, I think you’re amazing “in your southern cusisine, I’ll give you “five years worth of my product for free “if you give me a little love. “How can you give me love? “A tweet’s not enough.” So it’s biz dev, it’s content creation that’s not infomercial but actual content, and then it’s proper internet marketing, which right now to me is creme dela creme is Facebook dark posts. You’ve been watching the #AskGaryVee show. My question of the day
for you is very simple.

– [Voiceover] Darren asks,
“If you could only market on one social platform,
which would it be and why?” – Darren, I picked this
question because I’m pissed off and I’m pissed off at
people asking this question over and over again. I’m pounding my fist on
the floor, or the table. Over and over, this is a non debate. It is Facebook, my friends, Facebook data. Data, data, data, data. Let me say it again, as
somebody who doesn’t love data. Who’s more EQ than IQ. The overwhelming accuracy
of who you are targeting and the products that they have created to target those people,
including in stream, not the right side of a website. So I’m over here, I
like how you’re staying- Go back there, DRock. Not the right side of a website, but right down the pipe. In the feed, targeted properly, and if you’re a good enough marketer, and you’re putting out
content people care about, not an ad, and we all see ads. No. A piece of content. And I know people are tired
of the word content, great. Call it stuff, I don’t give a crap. Just something people
care about in there when, you know Steve, show Steve. You know Steve likes Reddit. You know Steve likes- Back. You know Steve likes wine. You know, you know he likes these things. What else do you like, Steve? – Cheese, video games. – [Gary] Great, what else, Steve? – Beer. I love beer. – So, you know, give this
man things of those nuances. If you’re a toilet paper or
a toothbrush or a toy company or a, you know, what is this? This is a phone, you
know, technology company. Like give this man what
he wants around the genres he cares about. Facebook is, by far, dark posts. That’s a terminology. Unpublished posts, the best
platform to be selling things, doing business, getting
money for your charities, building awareness about your cause. Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, Facebook.

and I’ve got a question for you. The company I’m working
for has a great story. We’re putting up great content
on all our social channels, but we’re not seeing the
engagement we were hoping for. Is it worth it to promote
our Facebook posts, our tweets, and our LinkedIn posts, in order to gain more engagement on what we’re putting out there? What do you think, are they worth it? – I think they’re worth it. Now, I think they’re
worth it if you actually target it properly. So you used promote,
and I would say, target. Meaning, Twitter, you
can target actual words that people are using
to get even more narrow into who you’re trying to target. Facebook dark posts, we’ve ad nauseam talked over these 12 episodes, of Facebook dark posts. I do think you should target, but, and this is why I turned
my face to the camera while you were asking
a question my friend, you’re deeming it to be great content. Maybe it just isn’t. Right, and I think that
that’s a dangerous thing that a lot of people really
need to figure out, which is, you may feel good of how it looks, but the reason I wrote Jab,
Jab, Jab, Right Hook is, is it contextually proper? Does it have the right hashtags? Is it linking properly? Do you have the right amount of length? Are the pictures proper? Are you putting the logos in
the right spots within it? Please triple check,
you gotta check yourself before you wreck yourself, they say, and so please triple check, that you’re checking all the boxes of doing all that stuff properly. Number two, I do believe
that if you can afford, if you’re lucky enough, and
a lot of people watching aren’t lucky enough, but
if you’re lucky enough to have the resources to target a segment, and boost up its awareness. If that content is good, that is gonna spread like fire for
you, and it’s gonna pay much bigger dividends long-term, so, I am a fan of it. – [Voiceover] Erick asks,
what’s the last new skill

effective even though it’s pay
to play model and throttling?” – Nick, I don’t know if
you’ve been paying attention to what I’ve been screaming about for the last hundred days, but it’s called Facebook dark posts. Google it, watch it on YouTube. Bunch of people show you how to use it. Not only do I think it’s effective, I actually think right this second, as I tape this show, Facebook is the best direct selling
marketing platform in the world. Think about what I just said. Google AdWords, phenomenal. Buying retargeted banner exchange on the, ads on the exchange, incredible. Facebook dark posts, where did the organic reach come from in other places? You didn’t build a website and like were mad at Google if you
weren’t the first result for a term. You recognized that it treated you the way it treated you
based on the quality of what you were executing. Really no different than Facebook. Plenty of people getting tons of organic. Sure there’s some twinkering of the tools but that’s their algorithm. No different than Google. You don’t get organic free reach from an email marketing campaign that you spend money on
buying the email list or on banner ads or in anything else you do in marketing and so because it started
as an organic only platform and people treated it like email and you thought everybody
who was following you would see it, doesn’t mean that the emotion that that went away, doesn’t mean that it isn’t great. As a matter fact, Facebook has
never been a better product. I just believe it. I mean, I don’t know
what else to really say. Thanks for watching episode 10 of the #AskGaryVee show.

use social media more effectively
in marketing campaigns, i.e. to increase voter turnout?” – Jason, the truth to that
answer is, believe it or not, is to become more nimble and authentic. There is no campaign when there isn’t the right process up top. What I mean by that is, a lot
of government institutions are coming from the wrong place. For example, I know that, you know, just
from a little politics, and I don’t talk politics very often, but, like, that the Democratic Party wants more voter turnout and the Republican Party
historically has not. These are little tidbits I’ve
picked up in the last 12 years and I could be wrong about that, they’re just people in the game that I’ve heard things like that. So where are you coming
from is really the question. I mean, to use social
to attract more voters, the truth is, whether you’re
a Republican or a Democrat, you’re trying to not recruit more voters, you’re trying to recruit more voters that are gonna vote for you. Right? And so right there by its own definition, you’ve got an interesting
kind of perplex situation that the seed is tainted by the outcome. And so to the best of one’s ability, I think it’s important to try
to get the religion at the top to really execute. I mean, look, social media is probably the
most consumer-insight-driven marketing tool we’ve ever seen. The data that you can
apply on top of social to drive the results, whether to get somebody
to vote for an election, to buy a cat, to whatever it may be, there’s never been anything greater, and so using, I’ve said it
before, Facebook dark posts, with a combination of
Google long-tail search SEM, can get you very, very, very far. Guys, thank you so much
for watching Episode 8,

“to use Facebook dark posts?” – Jason, what’s up man?
This is a great question to start Episode 6 with
because it’s a general question that I want everybody to pay attention to. Jason’s asking about Facebook dark posts, you might be thinking about
how to make Instagram work, or the up-and-coming amazing
Pinterest CPC ad platform, or anything, native ads on Outbrain and Taboola and Hexagram. The real answer to this, Jason,
is to become a practitioner. The right price for your ads
is always a moving variable based on supply and demand,
competition, all that jazz. The way to become good at it is to do it. You can go, step one, go
to YouTube and Google, and look up all the information, and figure out how to become
better at Facebook dark posts, read 30 articles on AllFacebook.com about how to be better at Facebook dark posts. You can do all the homework,
but until you apply it, it’s just knowledge, isn’t it? And I love students, but only so much. And so, the answer to
your question, my friend, is very simple: become
educated and execute. That’s how everything works,
for every single answer, on all these issues. To find out the right price,
there is no right price, Jason, the right price is the right
price right this second, because of the supply and demand curve of what you’re trying to apply. If you’re trying to sell furniture, and you’re one of two people buying ads on Facebook dark posts for furniture, your cost is gonna be a better
deal than in three weeks, when five people are there
trying to bid that up. Supply and demand, supply and demand. – [Voiceover] Dawn asks, “Do
you feel it’s still a necessary

– [Voiceover] Daniel asks, what’s the best advice
you can give salespeople in social media? D Gordon, what’s up my friend? Just want to give you one more shout out for the time we hung out years ago at your family’s business. I enjoyed it. Thanks for the question. Biggest piece of advice
that I’m willing to give to salespeople in this world is actually ironically the
jab, jab, jab, right hook. It’s cliche. I think you guys know
where I would go with is. The truth is everybody’s
trying to close too early. It’s just lack of patience. It’s not providing value. Why in the world am I doing this show? Is is that I missed the
limelight of a daily show? By the way, this will not be a daily show. Just to kill any lack of confusion. I’m going away in two
weeks with my family. Unlike WineLibraryTV days where I would tape 10 episodes. That will not be happening. You will be missing me
at the end of August but I will come back
with gusto in September. It’s because I want to provide value. It’s because I could be regurgitating the same old stuff that I
believe in, core principles, or I could go to this format and give you value on a daily basis on things that you’re looking for and so to me a couple things. One, understand Facebook dark posts. The segmentation is incredible. Two, Twitter search. You can pull people out one by one. Three, LinkedIn’s coming
soon with their product where you’ll be able to
focus based on titles so you can hit up every single person that’s a CFO of financial service company in their stream. That’s the hit up. Not spamming them in the mail on LinkedIn. So be tactical but understand the religion which is provide value upfront. How many of you who watch
this show provide value, put out stories, entertainment, free stuff, reply to people and aren’t just hitting up people who have more followers
or more exposure than you to try to get exposure yourself? How many of you are actually
trying to provide value? Thank you so much for
watching episode four