– David. Oh, it’s a video. – Hey, Gary. It’s David
Shaheen, husband and manager of recording artist, Amanda Vernon. She’s about to sing the
National Anthem here at Lambeau Field– – [India] This is amazing. – For Monday night football.
She’s about to go on in a little bit here. (crowd cheering) So I was wondering if
you could give any tips on how to capitalize on
this exposure. Thank you. – That’s fantastic. I
would immediately buy the Google Adword “National Anthem”, “Singing the National Anthem”,
I would buy all the long-tail words on search, on Google
for National Anthem. Singing the National
Anthem, National Anthem, National Anthem at Half-Time, How do I get picked to
sing the National Anthem, that’s a long tail. And I
would have your video embedded somewhere with a story about her. So create a landing page
on Tumblr, RebelMouse, where it doesn’t cost you a lot, where you don’t have to design. Embed the video, tell a story
about her, and all her work. And buy keywords on social around that, I would also buy Facebook ads against Green Bay Packer fans, fans
of the Green Bay Packers. And say, “Do you wanna see the video?” or “Do you wanna meet the person that sang the National Anthem last Monday night?” Some of them will, as well.
Those would be the two black and white executional
things that I would do. That was good. Some real advice. That’s some real advice! – [Gary] Pam. That’s some real advice.

– [Voiceover] Bunch of
Deckheads wants to know, “If you’re selling merch,
like t-shirts, “how would you go about doing it?” – Well, Deckheads, I mean– This is a very good question. I like this question. I don’t wanna beat dead horse but I would say
Facebook dark post is incredibly interesting. The targeting capabilities
of what’s going on in that platform are incredible. I think Pinterest
and promoted pins is another place
that I would spend a ton of time and energy. And I would say
traditional digital even though it’s something
I like to pick on. I think SEM, Google AdWords and I think banner retargeting, you know, people
landing on your site, you pixeling them
and cookieing them from the traffic that you
got from the other places and then retargeting
them on banner and things of that nature
have all been proven t-shirt, hoodie, hat selling. I think Facebook dark posts,
though are incredible. The fact that you can
target people that are fans of Teespring or BustedTees
or all these kind of Threadless, JackThreads,
all these places where those kind of things
are sold, Johnny Cupcakes. The fact that you can target
to that level, just incredible. I mean like, you know (scoffs) It’s really a funny
thing to do this show because I keep
pounding this narrative and so many of you
continue not to do it. But a couple of you are
starting to email me saying, hey, thank you for this because
this is what’s happened. So that makes me happy,
makes me continue to wanna spew the best advice
possible, and to me 50% of my money
would be allocated to Facebook dark posts but
the other 50% allocated to things I just told you about. By the way, Staphon,
this whole episode

whose interests are private to them?” – A.J., great name first of all. Facebook. Facebook dark posts. There’s a way to use the interest graph to get to these people who
don’t wanna talk about whatever misgivings or
things they’re embarrassed of or not interested in, you can go and look at. You can get into the MasterCard data and see what they’re buying. There’s obviously a lot
of brands in this space. Actually, hair loss, is that
what we’re talking about? Can somebody pull up Rogaine’s
Facebook page right now? Just for kicks and giggles. A little real time action. Just gonna wait, I’m gonna wait. A.J. – [Steve] Pretty small audience. – Of course, nobody wants to talk about. Who wants to be like, oh cool. I’m losing my hair. I can’t wait to be a fan of Rogaine, but how big is it? – [Steve] There’s no brand page. There’s like a default drug page that’s 870 likes. – There’s no brand page for Rogaine? – [Steve] I’m gonna
do some more looking. – You sure. Nonetheless, as he’s going through that, the 870 people that were okay with going on the offical page,
there probably is a page, because I think Steve
will eventually find it, or there’s alternative
brands playing in the space. The truth is there’s a couple ways to go about it. I would target men in certain age groups. There’s also female hair loss. Facebook has enough data
for you to get there whether you’re going
after doctors fan pages that play in the space, brands, again, it’s absolutely correct that most people aren’t gonna talk about it on Twitter or follow, but some are, and that’s enough. What I would say is you
get to the four or five, 15, 17 pages that people are fans of, you go against that, and
then you create a look a like audience against that. You also take the data you have. I don’t know if you’re selling direct, but if you have any email data or anything of that nature, you can
create lookalike audiences that’s people’s behavior
is similar on Facebook, and that’s where you’re
getting your scale from. You got something Staphon? – [Staphon] 32 – Yeah there we go. – [Staphon] It had 36,000. Yeah, so I mean look there’s 36,000 people that are a fan of the Rogaine page, and
so you’re able to actually go after the people that did that. I would go after that crew and lookalike auidences against that, and I think SEM this is an example where I think search probably wins very heavily,
because that’s more private action. I would buy a lot of
keywords on Google, Bing, Yahoo. – [Voiceover] Laurie
asks, “If Lizzie opened

– Hey, Gary Vee, Scott Wisotsky here, CEO and co-founder of Campus Pursuit. I run a college marketing business, and I wanted to ask you
about niche marketing. In Wine Library did you market
to people interested in wine, specific niches within
the wine community– – Yes. The answer is “yes” and “yes.” One thing in marketing
that I’m a very big fan of is broad and narrow. Tanks and bombers and Navy SEALs, there’s a purpose for both, so we marketed to wine lovers. Then we focused on Burgundy lovers, and especially when SEO came
along and email segmentation in the early 2000. We were buying keywords on not just wine. I always famously talk about owning wine. What I don’t talk about is
what happened the next year: Cabernet Sauvignon, Silver Oak, Burgundy, Chateauneuf du Pape. So we started going narrow. All of us who’ve ever done any
SEM know about the long tail. That’s where all the magic happened once there was supply and demand that’s happening in social now, long tail. And so, (thinking with mouth)
the answer is “yes” and “yes.” You’ve got to really recognize
the tactic dictates– (phone rings) Oh, look at that. I didn’t have this off. The tactic really dictates the purpose. But you’ve always gotta
go broad and narrow to have a complete picture, in my opinion, and so we did both, and
I continue to do both. And I will always do both because they all have a mission at hand. There’s a reason U.S. government
military has Navy SEALs and Green Berets, because
sometimes you can’t just go big, you’ve gotta go narrow, niche, surgical. Facebook dart posts,
18 to 55-year-old males because you’re selling some male thing, and then 18 to 19-year-olds in Texas who like the rodeo and wine. Got it? Both, both, both. (strong, beating music) – [Voiceover] Ruke S, “What would you do

– Hey GV, it’s TF. Got a question for you for all my friends in the real estate space around the world. And the question is, how much of my advertising / marketing dollars should I be spending on
salespeople, telemarketing efforts, versus direct mail, print, traditional, versus online. You know me, buddy. I’m a no-wrong-way-to-generate-leads
kind of guy. What’s your take on it? (person claps)
(people chat) – Hey, you know, TF, I
gotta tell you, I agree. I mean, obviously I push
new forward ways of thinking about selling stuff, whether
it was ecommerce back in ’96, email marketing in ’97,
Google AdWords in 2000, banners, then content marketing in 2006. I mean, people are talking
about content marketing now. I started Wine Library TV
on February 21st, 2006, to do content marketing, so
obviously all the social stuff. I’ve got peeps in the background, too. You know, I get it. Yeah, I think that if you’ve got a way. I know we’ve talked in
the past that direct mail really works for you as a channel. Agreed. Do it, if that’s working for you. I even did direct mail for Wine Library seventeen months ago, just to make sure it didn’t bring any ROI,
and it was a disaster. It was scary to me. We used to be direct mail juggernauts in ’98, ’99, 2000, where we’d get three, four, five, six,
seven percent redemption of how many fliers we’d sent out. People coming to the store. We had six people bring
the coupon to the store and we had a big value prop in it. So direct mail clearly died for us and then other places that have grown. And, SEM works, and Facebook
dark posts are working, and content clearly has worked. So, I’m a no-romance-over-the-lead
kind of guy, as well. I mean, here’s my thing, though. People fall in love with the way they’ve made their money, right, because it’s working right now. I’m thrilled when I think that Instagram and Facebook dark posts and Twitter suck. Can’t wait for that. Can’t wait for 2024, you know,
when I’m dissing on that. I’m like, it’s all about
this, the virtual reality. Great. Can’t wait, in the words of Bart Scott. And so, I think the biggest thing that I get scared about is that people get romantic
and don’t try new things. Every person watching here
should always be spending between five to twenty
percent of their money, if that’s what you’ve got, or your time, if that’s what you’ve got,
on new and innovative things, because they need to be prepping for 2016, 2018, 2022. And here’s the biggest key, TF. No matter what you tell me, your direct mail response
and telemarketing response is not as good as that
same action 10 years ago. If you were doing that same
calling in the background and that same direct
marketing 10 years ago, it would have had a bigger ROI because more people were paying
attention to those channels, their actual home phone and their mailbox, then they are now in
a world of this, this, and everything pulling away. Not to mention, the costs
are higher in direct mail because, you know, the
post office is subsidizing that loss of money. So, these are the things
that I think about it. It’s the arbitrage of
the value of the ROI, not necessarily the action itself. – [Voiceover] Damian asks,

use social media more effectively
in marketing campaigns, i.e. to increase voter turnout?” – Jason, the truth to that
answer is, believe it or not, is to become more nimble and authentic. There is no campaign when there isn’t the right process up top. What I mean by that is, a lot
of government institutions are coming from the wrong place. For example, I know that, you know, just
from a little politics, and I don’t talk politics very often, but, like, that the Democratic Party wants more voter turnout and the Republican Party
historically has not. These are little tidbits I’ve
picked up in the last 12 years and I could be wrong about that, they’re just people in the game that I’ve heard things like that. So where are you coming
from is really the question. I mean, to use social
to attract more voters, the truth is, whether you’re
a Republican or a Democrat, you’re trying to not recruit more voters, you’re trying to recruit more voters that are gonna vote for you. Right? And so right there by its own definition, you’ve got an interesting
kind of perplex situation that the seed is tainted by the outcome. And so to the best of one’s ability, I think it’s important to try
to get the religion at the top to really execute. I mean, look, social media is probably the
most consumer-insight-driven marketing tool we’ve ever seen. The data that you can
apply on top of social to drive the results, whether to get somebody
to vote for an election, to buy a cat, to whatever it may be, there’s never been anything greater, and so using, I’ve said it
before, Facebook dark posts, with a combination of
Google long-tail search SEM, can get you very, very, very far. Guys, thank you so much
for watching Episode 8,