“how many do you have and
still stay productive “the next day?” – Phillip I don’t drink that much. Though it’s funny I actually
said this the other day in a conversation about my life which was I don’t think I
would’ve ever drank alcohol, just like a lot of people
reacted to the fact that on the show the other day, or somewhere. DailyVee or whatever
I said that you know I’ve never done any drugs, I’ve never even smoked a cigarette. I don’t think I would’ve
ever drank alcohol. I didn’t have my first
beer until I was 19. And I probably drank like 20 of them. Like I used to, talk about
milking a beer at a party. Like when you were 20. My shit was like not warm,
it was like a hot spring. Like I don’t really love alcohol. I learned to love wine. I weirdly started liking
really well made mixed drinks. Like the bartender culture
of New York helped that. So like bourbon, things of that nature. But I don’t love alcohol. What was the question? How many drink? You know what actually does get me drunk? The last few times I’ve been drunk. Sake. I love sushi so much. It’s in such little portions and usually when I have
sushi, for some weird reason it’s usually a Friday or Saturday night and I’m usually with Lizzie
or very close friends so I’m more relaxed and I go. And sake gets me twisted. But besides that I don’t know. By the way, right now
I’m on a hardcore diet. I don’t know if you guys have noticed but I’ve lost a good 5 pounds
in the last three weeks. Have you noticed a little bit India? – Yeah. – Thank you. And so yeah I really have
to say that nothing really gets me excited about drinking alcohol. It’s not really something
that’s part of my culture so I’ll drink a glass of wine or two when I’m not in this hardcore diet stuff. And it’s super easy to be productive because I grew up. From 22 to 30 I was
tasting 100 wines a day. My tolerance is stunningly
through the roof because of that. So yeah that’s it. – It’s probably also
stemmed from drinks meeting,

“what are your tricks and
tips for overcoming jet lag?” – I don’t have a trick. I don’t know what’s happening. It’s called enormously lucky DNA. I think my brain can out
will a lot of things. I think when I get going, I don’t know, I’ve just got it like that. I’ve got a lot of natural energy. I showed up on some people’s podcasts over the last couple
days and a lot of people leave comments like this guy’s on drugs. So I’m super high energy. I get it, it’s so crazy, I’ve never even smoked a cigarette. You know like so it’s crazy how lucky I am with my natural adrenaline. What?
– It is crazy. It’s crazy just like being
around you, it’s real. Like that’s not just
when you’re on the show or like on DailyVee. – Right and it’s real and it’s long. It’s real, sustained, for 18 hours a day, every day, every month, every year. Yeah Mike was even saying
to me, I landed from I did the red eye, and I landed, and then we worked out yesterday and I had the best workout I’ve ever had like, my energy, he was just literally like how the fuck do you never crash? We’re super behind Matt.

over the course of the last year I spent
all my efforts trying to grow a community photographers around my brand
but I realized and were taken to the next level I have to find a partner or
investor but the problem is I have this defensive wall about asking for help
it’s just not the way I was raised my question is how do you get past that man
how do you take them out wall and say hey you know what I need help and then
reach out to people i really appreciate your thoughts on this thank you so much show well done but I’m
more of that we haven’t done this in awhile ask questions are so many me that
are not asking I love between a pun getting a Michelle your right cuz your a
piece also and you just keep asking yet the 98% of you have never asked the
question once used the hashtag on the comments in YouTube Facebook Twitter or
Instagram because I’ll give you every option to take your questions in looking
at some new people in here like we did with snapshots 7 some questions and I’ll
hand you my phone tomorrow and just go through some of the video questions and
people downloading or what have you know actually that’s right up to me directly
download across UK can and then tweet it would like to get
some more snapshot visuals in the show and you learn how to download an article my man first and foremost I’m kinda
bored by this question let me tell you why you just let your guard down you are
scared to ask for and I get excited also don’t like asking for help so I really
connect with you by the way the black-and-white video just did you just
put yourself out there 200,000 people own it so your good really good yourself
out there my into my comment to you is going to YouTube and Facebook right now
and leave a comment so the other homies of this community
can find you to say what you’re missing is the financial part is the
organizational partly that’s because I don’t know your name was just named got it so but everybody know you are
like and just be like 26 things I want guys the dirty little secret about the a
scary be shown daily B is if you become part of the community you will win let
me explain watching each of you biz dev with each
other in my comment section this this silent majority that watch the show and
yeah I’m trying to bring you out workers today that silent majority you’re making
a huge mistake just commenting in saying first time commenter in this episode
like what you’ve been doing her answer the question that I come up with what
have you will put you in the ecosystem for other people saying hey guys there’s
a couple of extra rinse out there so do you let me in directly I really need you like list
what you are what your shortcomings are a funny feeling fifteen people gonna
respond and say they’ve got those strengths and you might find your
partner right my comment section of the rest of you get in this community Serena
ass you travel so much what are your tricks and tips for overcoming jet lag I
don’t have a trick I don’t know what

are in the field I don’t currently want
to work in Lodi there’s a lot of things you can do you can use your career and
your diploma as a proxy to people and show them that you’re able to accomplish
things that you have set your goals out to do while acknowledging that you are
now shifting those goals in your life the truth is nobody’s going to penalize
you for making a shift into a new arena you just have to consider you just have
to convince that decision maker that all the skills and drive and talent that you
deployed there are going to be acceptable in this new world you know
let’s just say for example that you made your entire career living in the wine
business as a merchant and then decided that you wanted to run one of madison
avenue’s most premier digital shops that would take some convincing and you do
that by convincing and then you do it by doing and so much like many people have
had different careers and they’ve gone from much like you know what you’re like
the rock the rock was a successful wrestler but we didn’t think he was
going to be a superstar movie actor until he did it so in the beginning he
had to commence decision-makers directors producers agents the market
that he was capable and then you get your at-bats I marky mark is now one of
the great successful entrepreneur people whose name is Mark Wahlberg he’s a
superstar he’s a businessman we didn’t think marky mark was gonna cross Justin
Timberlake was in a boy band with some curly ass hair didn’t think he’d be one
of the great musicians of our generation or some did it so I would say that it’s
very easy you just have to think about this I think it’s going to be quite easy
for you to come in somebody to give you a job or give you money for your startup
I think the next part way more interesting can you actually do it
because everything is built against that just because you want to go into
something else doesn’t mean you’ll be successful so if you don’t count on it
and a short that you can do it don’t worry about commencing and everybody
just convince somebody because then you’re on the record just the commands
one person that you can make videos and then you’re on the record and neither
you make it and they’re good for you make them and their shit good piece near commencing one person I
did there was consent like in the

to the world that I was a winner because
it was such a loser in school that I just worked every minute I didn’t you
know go to an extra keg party I didn’t you know like spend an extra go away in
a weekend and just do something different like I punted everything it
just went completely and utterly into I’m gonna build businesses this is who I
am and so you know maybe it would have gone on the ski trips so I can be good
skiing down into it like maybe like I would have done it with a rounded out
some stuff but the truth is in a weird way in the same way that I just talked
to you about the last question I don’t know like it’s also good I don’t i
probably like if I could speak to my high school self is that is not the way
it’s yeah I mean my high school so good news it’s gonna go it wasn’t a better I
like the den to I was antsy and I wanted to like everyone like I’m still there
but like that but I was super happy like I was like some outcasts like it by
teachers and my friends parents thought I was a loser but all my friends loved
me so let’s call it what it is when you’re fifteen you don’t give a shit
about teachers and parents you want your homies do think your cool so I was super
happy it was just trying to chip on my shoulder because unlike the all-time
great i really believe this i really believe it’s the same way that Harrison
Ford about his acting or LeBron about his basketball or or some music Whitney
Houston better singing like I did I really think young Whitney Houston a bit
greatest sitting there and saying she’s killing at a church she saying nobody
knows how great I’m really gonna be like I literally thought that I’d like I
can’t wait for them to all really know so there’s a little bit of like I can’t
wait to have my coming-out party I was I was antsy for the coming out party but
I’d probably say it like a man it’s all gonna work out great like like just do
everything you think you want to do just follow your instincts it’s gonna be good
high school reunions I know I haven’t got to talk to a lot of people on
Facebook in different places in my high school in like it’s interesting you know
I wasn’t outwardly like running through the halls and telling everybody that I
was going to be you know like I think the one thing that’s felt really nice is
like a lot of people have sent emails like it’s so nice to see you doing well
you were you were really nice and high school like that makes me feel nice
thing I think a lot of people are starting to realize on daily be that I’m
just a nice guy to be quite competitive and computational on a scary be on stage
like most people consumed from me on one likely to be a painting stuff ironically me and my competitive zone
when I’m not in business or on basketball court I’m actually kind of
completely the other way and I think that it was nice like that’s what I
don’t remember being like I forget the people are just mean in high school and
I was so self-confident that I never got dragged down to do that it’s good for
people’s for some peeps many of watching out to disclose the glory days to Jackie
jock jock jock wishes high school still

“How do you personally
take charge in a meeting “when you feel others
are being disrespectful?” – I guess Brittany’s asking for herself and for everybody who’s listening. For me, I mean, I just get involve–
(laughs) I mean, first of all 99% of the time, the context of the meeting,
I have the leverage. Either it’s my meeting and/or
I have a lot of authority or street cred to open my mouth. One more time, how do you
take charge when you think somebody else is being disrespected? – [India] When you feel others
are being disrespectful, meaning, if it’s uncomfortable– – I see this all the time and I see people struggling with it especially if they’re middle management or the new kid on the block, or an intern. But they have the EQ or
the empathy and like, this is unfortunate. I would say that there’s
only two ways to live life. To tactfully address things or to eat and have regrets
that you didn’t address it. What’s the name again? Brittany. Brittany, I think that
you have choices here. If I was in a meeting with this crew and I was being disrespectful to Staphon and India felt like she
wanted to say something. What’s running through her mind is, if I call Gary out here, and first of all, she has
a lot of context on me so she’s probably thinking, oh crap, Staphon’s doing something
wrong that I don’t know about ’cause Gary’s usually right. But let’s say I was tone deaf
(laughs) and I didn’t have equity with
her and it was her first week. She’s thinking that if
she calls me out and says, Gary, why are doing– You’re being rude. She’s thinking, oh crap,
that can get me fired. And then, what does it mean to me? People are doing practical– There’s always the pressure
of doing the right thing versus the practical thing. And then you’re always questioning, are you good enough to know
what the right thing is. There’s all that stuff. I don’t know, I have had a very successful life. Forget about career. On being comfortable of addressing things in real time, in the room, if it needs to. My level of thinking of
disrespect is quite high because I like combativeness
and competitiveness and I’ve also always had leverage. I work for myself. So, my advice to myself or how I think about the
world is very different than the advice I’d
give to a lot of people. I think you go with the one strike policy. India should grab me or send me an email after that meeting and say,
hey, I felt a hair uncomfortable with the way that you were
treating Staphon in that meeting. Can we either talk about
it, she’d grab me in person. She can send an email. I like in person ’cause
no context is lost. ‘Cause if I got that
email from India, I’m like that’s a little prima
donna for a youngster. (laughs)
She doesn’t know all the details. But if she told it to me, I’d be able to feel the energy. That’s one lesson I’d like
a lot of you to learn. Sending a text or sending an email, where it’s an important moment, you’re losing so much context. The energy, especially if
you go to an EQ person, the energy is so powerful when
you can create the context so I highly recommend that. But I would probably
go with a communication that wasn’t confrontational
in the room with that manager or that boss the first time. Behind the scenes,
lightweight, treading water. And then, A, seeing how they respond. Because I would respond, and we’ve been there and done that, India. I would respond favorable
which would make you more comfortable and
safe to talk to me again. Others will be like,
shut you (blank) mouth. And that would make
you not as much comfort and then I would address it
in the room the second time. If I said, shut your
fuckin’ mouth to India and then she did it again the second time, couple things would happen. She’d feel like she was
getting that off her chest. More importantly, I’d be like, damn, she really does care about this. It’s just life. Doing the right thing is
always the right thing. You just gotta make sure
you’re doing the right thing. Way to many people romantically wanna fight against the system, fight against the boss, fight against the company. And I’ve had people in this organization that have barked up the wrong tree. Because they’ve worked in other places where the person doesn’t give a crap and doesn’t turn every stone and doesn’t have a ton of context. That is something you
need to be careful of. Do not walk into a buzzsaw
because you do have a manager or boss that actually knows
what they’re talking about. Now, if you’re great at EQ
and the tone and the taste, roll, let roll. But this is not a very simple question. There’s a lot of angles, as you could see, in two quick seconds
that I’ve given you here, it’s a lot of context building. Who are you standing up for? I mean, the amount of
times that people here have stood up for somebody
who’s straight losing, doing the wrong thing, but they’re homies. Matt, let’s talk to you
because they hear it from this. – Okay. – We have a tremendous culture here where, obviously, I’d like to say that but how many friends do
you have in this company? People you actually hang
out with outside of work? – A solid amount. – Give me a number. – 15, 20. – Great, so first of all, everybody who at Vayner’s
watching this is now wondering, wait a minute, am I number
21 and what the hell. – Sorry guys. – I thought we were friends. (laughs) 15 to 20, I think anybody who’s watching we would all recognize
and that’s a big number. There’s a lot of people watching here who don’t have single friend. Outside, everybody just– If you, not if, when your friend, one of those 15 to 20 complains about Vayner,
it’s impossible for you not to take their side,
they’re your friend. – Exactly. – I mean, that’s an impossible game. – Absolutely. – And I assume, I’m asking you now. Even though you like me
and think I’m a good guy and it’s a good company, good culture. It’s so much easier to have
Janet’s back than the company’s. – Sure. – That right there, is
the issue at hand, right. You might be standing up for somebody. Have you ever wanted to
stand up for somebody? – [Matt] Yeah. – Have you? – [Matt] Sometimes yes and sometimes no. – Right, and so it’s just tough ’cause
you don’t know every– I mean, I know a lot of the
friend pods in this company. I knew to ask that question ’cause I knew it was a good outcome because I know what’s
going on here, right. Even people that are a little quiet or what have you are finding friends. It’s amazing, right. We got a good thing going. The danger of that is blind
support to your homies versus what’s going on in the office. There are people here who are the greatest human– I literally want to adopt them. I literally want to adopt them, hey come in my family. I love you that much. Who are average workers. That’s just real-life shit. To think if I was their homie, outside of work and had all the feelings of the humanity that is
them which is remarkable. I want to adopt them. And to think about them complaining or struggle, why didn’t I get promoted, my boss is not taking care of me, this and that and the other thing. It’s impossible for the
other 550 people here intermingled with each other
not to support that person. They’re the best. But I have the optics of
another thing which is the black and white. Not the warm and fuzzy, the do you have skill. I’m the greatest guy of all time. I don’t think LeBron wants
me on his basketball team. I don’t have the raw skills to provide him value for
what he’s trying to achieve. I’m the best. And if he wants to do business I’ll make him more money
than he can even realize. Even more than he makes, which
is more than he can realize. And that’s the game. And so, that’s the other
part of the equation. You gonna step up for the
greatest person of all time, cool. You just might get caught because they’re actually below average or not doing a good job. Or they may actually act differently, I mean, this is happening here too. There are people that,
outside of these four walls, I want to adopt. But when you watch them, how they act within a work environment, they’re just okay. Lot a sweeties. And then a little snarky and manipulative and political in the building. That’s just real life. So know who you’re standing up for. Interesting shit. – Got really deep. – Yeah, it got very deep. That’s something we can all learn from. I’ve learned that lesson. Like, I know this guy, he’s the greatest. And like wait a minute,
he sucks in the store. I saw with my own
friends that work for me. So, anyway. – [India] It’s intense. – It is intense. It’s intense because it’s so, this is where
judging where you work or who you work for is the key. And understand what
they’re good and bad at. Meaning, you could have a great manager, top, top, manager. And they might be strong at X but they might bad at Y. And if they’re bad at Y, you need to context that. There’s no blanket statement,
even on the person. I have a lot of points of view on your strengths and weaknesses from a lot of different people. Way more than you’d ever think. – [Matt] Oh, I’m sure. – In a good way, meaning it’s
why we’re so calculated here of what we do. ‘Cause we don’t take the
main boss’s point of view on somebody. It’s 360. It’s contemporaries, it’s
friends outside of work. It’s people that never heard of him. It’s people that work for you. You can’t just be like, oh the boss– If you let that, they’re
just manipulate what’s in their best interest. ‘Cause they’re just human,
it’s not their fault. But I think that’s what
makes our place tick because people have
seen very senior people not win the battle against
very junior people. Then that’s like whoa, and that’s cool. I don’t know how I got on that tangent. I know how, If you wanna step up
for somebody in the room you better know all the scores. The conversation.

– [Voiceover] SaltySnapz
asks, “People say the road “to success is lonely. “Do you feel that’s accurate? “If not, why do you think
it’s a common sentiment?” – You know, I think
people use that statement because the truth is, I mean first of all, it depends on how you define success. In the context of what this show is about, which is business success, obviously we talk about a
lot of life stuff as well. But, you know, when you’re the CEO, when you are the founder, the conversation that’s not being had, everybody sees all the nice
things that come along. But every single thing that
happens in this company that’s wrong is my fault. Every snarky comment on social. Every kind of, like, sad face. Every email bullet points that I, every Friday I get bullet
points from tons of Vayner Media employees and 80% of them have a bullet that’s like,
“Rick is stretched too thin “and is crying in the bathroom.” That’s devastating. It’s very tough to be
at the top of something, even when it’s going great. Vayner’s going great. This is not even, like, you
know Wall Street collapsed and we lost a lot of clients
and we have to have layoffs. This is, like, we’re
rolling and we’re the best and we’re crushing and there’s
always things to worry about. Because you know that there’s no, “Oh, it’s India’s fault.” Everybody here, at some
level, all the way up can still say (snaps
fingers), “It’s Gary’s fault.” I can’t and when you say it’s my fault, there’s a really tough burden emotionally, forget about financially,
that comes along with that. And so I think it can get
very lonely, you do recognize. It’s amazing to me, for
as much of a communinary and extrovert as I am, how
much I keep in my own mind. How much is going on in
this noggin every day. Calculating, strategizing, thinking. And there is no vacations. I desperately love national holidays and, like, I can’t wait for
Christmas and Thanksgiving because everybody else is checked out and that’s the only time,
that’s the only time that I’m able to be off. I have my 40th birthday
coming on Saturday. I’m going away with my family. This is an incredible moment in my life and I will not be able
to be 100% checked out. Because then those, you know
and that Friday and that Monday the world is moving, this world is moving. My responsibilities are moving. I’m always one phone call away from a fire that I have to address. It is a very intense, lonely
place to be, at the tipy top. And so, when you think about, you know, I always think
about, like, “Is life fair?” Right? There’s always things that happen, there’s things that we can’t control. But the notion of, like,
somebody getting compensated a lot of money for things that we, do I think somebody making
20 million dollars a year to be an athlete or an actress. We never talk about
actresses and actors, right? We love to zing on athletes
but, like, actors make, like, the big ones make like
eight, 15 million dollars to make a movie. But still, at the end of the day, it’s because they command the market. People want to pay attention and there’s enormous amount of pressure. As I’ve lived my life and
started spending some time with A-list celebrities, there
life is, I mean, it’s intense. Like, I really secretly
think that I could be an A-list celebrity. That I literally could go
on TV and be a breakout hit. Like in a Mad Money
kind of like, you know, not like Jennifer Lawrence. I just don’t have the looks. But in a Mad Money, kind of like Regis, kind of like Andy Cohen way. But man, real celebrity status is intense. You just have nowhere to
go and so there’s that. Or an athlete where the
physical shape that you have to, 18, you know, 10 hours a
day of putting in that time. People look at the outcomes
they don’t think about what’s coming along with
it and the pressure. The pressure to know
that if I get hit wrong, that my entire life collapses, especially an athlete
that has a short window. Or the pressures that we’ve, look, I don’t think it’s a coincidence
that some of the greatest artists of all time pass
away in their mid-20s because of the intensity. It’s intense, it’s intense. It’s very lonely and so it
could be extremely lonely. I, ironically, and you’ll
find this wild, I love, look I want random extra
people in the room. So, like, I love being around
people more than anything but I’m also very comfortable in my own, being one-on-one with myself. So I’m good but I know that I’m emotionally stable as fuck
and it’s intense for me. I can’t imagine people that
are not as fortunate as I am pulling from both directions. Ambition but humil, you know. Like, do you know how content I am? A lot of people watch
this show and you hear I wanna buy the Jets and you misunderstand really where I’m at. I want it all and I
wanna win the whole thing but if I never win again,
if I plateau at this level, there’s an amazing amount
of content in my body for all my hunger. And that balances me
but I couldn’t imagine if that was tweaked just a little bit. If I really felt the pressure because there’s enough pressure from a day in and day out standpoint. It’s intense, it’s intense. I think people say it I
think much like stereotypes or statements there’s
always so many truth to it. I think the reason so many people say the road is lonely because
to really be successful, in the context of business especially, you’ve gotta make seven to 7,000 decisions that are critical and you can
only make them with yourself. It’s an intense moment on a daily basis.

– Your favorite costume you ever had as a kid, that you were just like pumped to go out and wear and you felt so proud and excited. – That’s a great question. I’m gonna go with when me and my sister dressed up as Tom and Jerry. – Nice. – You know what’s interesting,
this is a great opportunity. I never talk about the year that we lived in Dover, New Jersey. Do you know that? – I did not know that. – Right. None of you know this. It went, I always say Queens to Edison, but the truth is, I don’t even know why, I just forget about that
year and a half in Dover. Maybe because I don’t like it. Maybe the reason I love the Jets so much is that the kids were nice to me and we played football, and they wanted to be Jet fans and in Dover. Do you, one of you have heard this story where the kid made me drink
pee out of a Pepsi can? – Yup, we have heard that story. – You’ve heard it right? Steve you didn’t hear it? – [Steve] I feel like, I don’t know, I’ve blocked it out.
– [Gary] Yeah! – [Gary] Yeah, I got picked on quite a bit ’cause I didn’t speak English yet. I was little. And so, and so um my sister and I dressed
up as Tom and Jerry, and my mom likes to tell the story that, my sister was still in a
carriage, she was young. I would go up stairs, knock
on the door, get the candy, and then I would always
get candy for my sister. ‘Cause I’d be like, my
sister’s down below. It’s just the story means a lot to me about the relationship that
I have with my sister Liz, and so um, that’s the costume
that always sticks in my mind. – Nice.
– Yeah. – It’s a good costume.

– [Voiceover] Gabriel asks,
“What is the best example “in your life, where your ego
has gotten the best of you? “How significant was it in retrospect?” – Well, this is great, right, because you’ve already dropped ego. I almost called this The Ego Show. So you know, what was the question? – When the ego got the best of you? – [India] And how significant
was it in retrospect? – Oh my gosh, should I go? – Sure. Yeah go ahead. – For me, oh man. Any relationship that I’ve been in I allow my ego to get the
best of me in the past. Where it’s like–
– With, like, girls you mean? – Yes, yes.
– [Gary] Okay, go ahead. – [Lewis] And then it just
affects me, it like consumes every decision.
– [Gary] What’s the ego part? Like you think you’re hotter than them? – No, no, it’s like after we break up or end things, it’s like– – You don’t wanna call first? And say, “That was a cool run”? – I don’t know it’s just like
I’m still holding onto things and I can’t let certain
things go, and I’m mad still or pissed, or why it didn’t work out. And that, holding onto things as opposed to fully letting go, – Yeah. – will hold me back in
other areas of my life, and just my health, my business. Like making clear decisions. And that ego, I gotta fully
let go in those situations. – Interesting. – What about you? – For me, I think with ego, I think it’s things that I don’t know. – I thought you know everything. – Well, I know everything
that actually has happened. So, maybe my ego of recognizing, well no, hear me out India. Like, let me give you an example. I know you’re laughing over
there and having a good time. Let me explain. I would tell you that I slash, it was the right business
decision, but ego of not doing a lot of television
shows because I feel like the world’s gonna change
and I’ll wanna own the IP, maybe kept me away from being
50 thousand times bigger because clearly I’d be incredible. I’d probably be the biggest TV star in TV if I decided to do a TV show.
– [Lewis] Why haven’t you still done a show? – [Gary] Because I still believe
in this thesis which is– – Why can’t you do both? – You can, you can! – What are you waiting for? – You know I’m busy as shit here, what do you think is going on? I’m busy! – I’m overwhelmed just being in here. – You’re on one of the
three floors of four offices like there’s a lot going on. So I wonder if ego has kept
me away from mainstream media. – But, you were just on
Bloomberg this morning, right? – Yeah, that’s different
than hosting a show. – You’d be the biggest TV
personality in the world. – I believe that Lewis, say it again. India, you say it too. – You would be the biggest TV personality in the world.
– [India] You want me to say? – Yeah, I want you to say it because I know you don’t want to say it. No, I want you to say it. – You’d be so huge on television. – [Gary] No, see what she did, she hedged. – Nobody would ever be able
to be on TV after you again. – That was good. Cut that clip for me,
DRock, just a ringtone. I think there’s been an
enormous amount of things that have impacted me, predicated my ego. I just don’t know what they are because they’re the
things that I didn’t do, versus the things that I did. The things that I’ve done with
my ego, I know the outcomes. They’ve all been pretty damn positive. It’s the things that I’m passing on, that I can never play out and
know what would have happened. That’s where my upside is on the table. Me being bigger, financially, brand, happiness, opportunity, me
being bigger is predicated on my no’s, not my yes’s. – What would be the ultimate
show that you could have on any network, any time? Who would you be doing it with? Would it be yourself? What topic? – You know what’s funny, I’ve
thought about that a lot. And I don’t think about it a lot. Meaning, I used to think about the format, what would I want to do. I’m so not in the mindset of
having a TV show right now. I’m so enjoying this. I’m enjoying the way I’m
going about marketing this and the white spaces and
where the world’s going and how over the top
is changing the world. Look, if I had a business show on Netflix, if Netflix came to me right now
and said we want to make you our business show, that would
be really tough to say no to. So I would say that,
because it’s of the moment. – Really, not mainstream cable or network, or anything like that? – No, because I’d rather
go to where the pucks going and I’d rather be part
of the narrative of, you know those shows, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black,
whatever sports deal they do, and then that business show. That’s where they competed
with CNBC, ya know? – That’s what I did with the
podcast, I saw the opportunity. – Yeah, that’s exactly right. And that’s where the upside is, you wait and you let the puck come to you. I would say CNBC and Bloomberg
are interesting to me because it’s just right
down the pipe of business. Yeah, I just can’t get there. India? – This one, we’re both
wearing all black today.

– [Voiceover] Liana asks, “You talk a lot about serendipity. “Was there one event
that made you a believer “or a series of occurrences?” – Liana, there’s no one event. Liana, serendipity is life. It’s how things work. There was no singular event. This was so serendipitous. I’m such a big believer
in serendipity now. Serendipity is just a structural aspect of the way our world works. Chance is an absolute part of it. It’s the way it is and so no there was no event. It was clearly a series of events. That all probably started happening when I was five or six years old when I started paying attention to things. So it’s more of a collective belief. I almost think of it as
like my belief in oxygen. Like it’s just there right. It’s just real. Serendipity is real India. Shit is real. (laughter) – What about your answer yesterday about timing and talent? Do you think timing has
something to do with serendipity? – I definitely believe in serendipity and luck. Right like I believe in those things like those are real things too. But I don’t think
everything is one thing or the other. I definitely think you
can prep for opportunity. I mean these are all semantics. I mean now were nitpicking like clearly doing the right thing and getting yourself in the right places and educating yourself and testing things and setting yourself up for victory, clearly those are real things but clearly other things factor into it, right? So I’m it’s just a
combination of like science and art. I always think about or just you know. The black and white and the gray. This is literally the
thesis of everything. And it’s funny it’s like you know tastes
great less feeling. People feel like they have been like pick a spot I mean. They’re both right. So for me the question becomes actually. If you’re lucky enough to self-awareness, could you bet on one or the other.
– [India] Mmhm. – The reason I love gray so much or talk about all the things I believe in is because it’s all comes natural to me it’s where my upside lies. I believe in like taking notes and studying and all that shit it’s just not for me. I wouldn’t have the maximum upside for it.