– I would probably if I was
allowed to on a university level I probably would be and
obviously take out the economics, could we afford to,
I would try and get them out of the room, out of the classroom
as much as possible whether physically or mentally and what
I mean by that is mentally we would be in our
apps doing, creating. I would get kids out of, if I was
in Chapman in California I would go to local businesses I would
take the 29 kids in class we’d go to Lou’s pizza shop. Be like “Lou, we’re here.
And were here to work. “What do you need?” I very much believe, I’m so
proud of you I was so thankful that you reached out to me and
you’re taking us up on this week because you’re
going to go be better. You’re gonna go back to school
and what you’re gonna learn this week you’re going to be better. – Yeah.
– Because it’s real. This is real.
– Mhmmm. – The classroom is less real. It’s less of the
market, it just is. My answer to your question is I would force them
to do real shit. – Yeah. – I would just try to get them
do as much real stuff as much as possible. You can watch GaryVee videos,
you can read books, you can pontificate,
you can debate but nothing beats getting thrown. I can tell kids about swimming. Okay, so what you
want to do is, right? I can tell you. We can debate what
the best stroke is. But how are you going
to be a good swimmer? You’re going to throw
that kid in the pool. I would put the kids in as many
real life situations as possible and I would do in a
couple different ways. One, I would try to use my
connections if I was allowed to based on this fantasy world
you’ve created and get them to go to Under Armour or a Toyota
see how they think about it. But then I’d also do a
competition the last three weeks of the semester
I would say okay we’re all going to go to the
farmer’s market. You all have three weeks to
figure out what you’re going to sell in a farmers market and
then all you can use is digital for the whole three weeks
leading up to it and then whoever sells the
most fruit wins. Try to get them into that kind
of mentality because I think that matters. I’m very scared, Professor,
of eighth place trophies. I’m very scared of rewarding people for success
that isn’t real. We would have the fruit and
vegetable farmers market competition and then the
next day in class I would say unbelievable job Sally and
I would say Elliott you suck. You are a loser, you sold eight
dollars in radishes and let’s break down why you sucked. Your Instagram was boring, I don’t know what the hell
you were thinking. Your radishes look like shit
so let’s start with the biggest thesis which is no
marketing fixes crap product. So these are the things
that we would go through. – Thank you.
– You’re welcome. – I will use this for my class.
Thanks.

– [Computer] Gary, India, Landon, I just had a quick question
what did you guys think about the NCAA and their policy
that restricts athletes from getting sponsorships. and money essentially. I know
it’s kind of a big issue for them. – It’s a real taboo issue. – [Computer] Well they kind of
have a right seeing that they’re on the road 24/7 and these
coaches get paid a bunch of money. – I mean look everybody’s got–
– [Computer] What you think about their ethics and what
can a business decision is that? Thank you very much
Gary, Landon, India. – Yeah, how are you going to
integrate that into the episode the video? You did it? – [Andy] Yeah.
– You had it. Talent. – [Andy] Soft copy of it. – Talent, man.
– Talent. So I think that, look I think is
a hotbed issue. I think plenty of people say
well they get their school paid for. Me personally, Gary, thinks
it’s complete horseshit. I think every college athlete
should be paid, period, end of story. I think the universities
exploit it aggressively. It feels very communistic. I’m not a fan of it. I think that the athletes should
be paid and that’s how I feel about it. Very simple.
Very, very binary. But I think the taboo issue. I have a lot of friends that get
mad at me when we drink a glass of wine on this issue but they
get their college paid for and this that and the other thing. To me it is just economics. They’re making
drillions of dollars on these kids performances. These kids are being treated
like professional athletes. These kids are
not going to class. These guys are practicing 40, the practice schedules of these professional athletes especially
at the tiers where the TV deals are men’s college basketball,
women’s college basketball, men’s college football, softball on ESPN now. They keep building
bigger and bigger schedules. They’re being treated like
professional athletes and they’re not being compensated
that way and an unbelievable majority of them never make
it to the professional level. And ever are able to cash in
on the dollars they dropped in university so I think
they should be paid. I’m pretty emotional about it
for them but it is what it is. There’s plenty of
things that upset me. You have any thoughts on that? – I don’t know. I don’t think I agree with
you as binary as– – Yeah.
– you describe it and it’s straightforward. But I think I could
easily be weighted that way. But I look at it as university is primary
number one needs to be a place of higher education. I didn’t go to college.
I wish I did. – Yep. – I’m fortunate that I get to
make my living that I’m actually making a living driving. – Yep. – But it concerns me like if
they set up a way to start paying football players the
effects of the 99% of them that don’t make it professionally and
what they did during their time in college when they were
making $50,000 a year playing professional college football
and not going to class because they were making their living. And now all of a
sudden they didn’t make it. You know, so I’m a little
worried some of the problem there. – The problem from my standpoint
that’s a romantic point of view because those same kids are
not going to class anyways. They’re not pumping out of the
University of Michigan and going on to have these illustrious
careers because of their education. First of all I have my own
problems of college to begin with, forget
professional athletes. Person that goes to Michigan and
leaves with a degree reality in today’s marketplace is
a whole ‘nother issue. We don’t have enough time for
this because I can get really emotional about this. – The thing that’s absolutely
dead on that you’re so right about is the cornerstone of the
whole argument is they’re making hand over fist. – Guys the SEC
contract with ESPN, these rules were implemented in a time when these
universities were not making anywhere close to these dollars. It’s become, (speaking Russian)
it’s a great Russian saying. It’s very basic. It’s like everything is
great when it’s balanced. From 1961 the amount of money
colleges were making on these athletes were more in the universe karma balance fairness. Today? You have a star player, do
you know how many Johnny Manzel Texas A&M jerseys were sold? I mean forget it. Anyway. – [India] I thought this
question was really cute

daniela asks I’m an immigrant with an
entrepreneurial dream all my parents care about his college which I hate any advice that stuff um did you get pressure to be a good
student no I came from one of those famous words is expected that but I’m
right there was not even writing every so I I came from we’re going to work
even a conversation on it just wasn’t a conversation I I came from one of those
weird families where high expectations were always there but my parents were
not very good at being parents and so it was basically ignored so i kinda raised
myself but unconsciously yes ceilings no only child child yeah and I think
unconsciously I understood at a very young age that the adults were never
going to help me no one was coming to help me and so I
had to learn like the system as its presented to you is bullshit and the only gift they gave me about
being terrible parents is that I was never fold by the lies that the system
tells you like school right I learn about half the system you feel
like early on you made a decision that you weren’t
getting value from your parents and thus every grown up during your youth you looked in a cynical point of view
not just the grown-ups but the actual systems of the grown-ups all operating
represented whether it’s work or whether it’s corporations or school it’s not that everything is invalid it’s
just that the the face that they present is never the reality it’s so interesting I on the other hand had amazing parents right but came to that
same realization at a very young age that I mean those are interesting
different paths to get to that place so it’s really dictated my life where I was
like oh my god I’m not this and like I’ve got another cheese I was in fourth
grade for sure I’m i crack another nine years of eating
this ship what you got out early i’m like how do i how do I break this system
how I have to make it work for me yeah you decided to win within it I decided
to literally go on vacation because i realized i subconsciously I was never
going to be on vacation again you know it’s funny is i think if we’re
talking about unconscious uh I think I I realized I had no other support you a
great parent yard I have this other world like you going – I knew my healing
i need this right i just like with this system so that I have because I don’t
have anyone like the persisting daniela i’m going to give you very difficult
device I really think you need to have the most
honest and truthful conversation we’ve ever had with your parents and then
react to their reaction i think if you really i don’t know if you’ve ever gone
there all the way we’re like this is really ruining me like like not like hey
mom and dad I don’t like school it’s like I’m suffocating and truly believe
my life will not be as good as it could be if i go down this path watching your parents reaction to those
words for made them would be will give you a really good indication because
then you get to understand are your parents wired to really value you and
what you have what where you are and what’s in your
best interest from your point of view or do they really care about their point of
view and what their child’s success means to them I become very fascinated you might have
better in saying this i grew up in a way where I didn’t know like the fancy world
and select bumper stickers of colleges on cars like like parents telling kids
to take on college debt and better schools wait a minute that’s in their
interest cuz they get the color friends at university chicago is real fancy
maybe some punk tamesha and Xander went fairly I’m like holy crap that’s interesting well so i think it’s
fantastic advice let me just add one sort of your way to frame this so when
you go talk to your parents I think the way to frame it is not
here’s my argument because you’re never going to convince someone with a
compelling argument or very rarely what you want to do is start by asking them
questions do you care about me how much do you care what do you really
care about what matters the most to you man what they’re going to say is we care
about you being happy we care about you finding yourself about you what are
right now get them to commit to that and then say
all right if you really do care about me and you really do it does matter to you
that I’m this happy I’m going to tell you I don’t want to go
to school because it makes me very college makes me very happy and trying
these other things for a year to is going to be much happier it will you support me as i do something
at least four and you can even find its temporary give me a year to support me and if it
doesn’t work I’m happy to go back to call and support me mentally right like
the financial records that slowly but i’m not i know that emotional i know
that i want to i want to bring that up for people and i would say the other
thing like look like there’s casualties of war and your parents are not going to
be around for your casualties of what they think is in your better interest in
verses you i mean the gift that I was given that i really wish I could you
know stick into every goddamn person is the audacity and competence at a very
young age to just say this is the deal like like that independence is
incredible and like and that’s hard for a lot of people but like if you’re
asking me on this show it to me actions speak louder than words if you
publicly treated this and asked me and wanted me to answer you’re just looking for somebody to push
you over the finish line many of you are watching this and think it but would
never to be publicly and fear that your parents would see it you’re clearly this close and you need
somebody to not do i will indulge you I mean I really do think there are real
moments in time to say go fuck yourself mom and dad it’s real and it’s really nothing bad
cool and growing out from this is it like this is a crossroads and a lot of
people get forced to do it there are kids with massive debt because
they want to appease their parents and they lose they lose because they kick
their twenties and don’t take the risk reward things they should be doing to
just pay down the debt and then wake up 34 and they just finally aren’t men from
something that they decided at 17 because their parents question of a
hundred percent yeah in their pit now that I’ve got older and spending time
appearance in the appearance vested interest of vanity that’s the worst that let’s do one more
well because i’m going to go to the speaker parents I gotta go run to
misha’s school and hey sorry I missed

– Jake that’s such a good question because my parents peer
pressured me into that bullshit. There was just no option. It was back in 1992, 3, 4.
You know like they expected it would
have been embarrassing had I not gone. That was just the truth. Like I had by the way, the reason I end up at
Mount Ida College is because I had no plans
of going to college. I didn’t go to see my guidance counselor. I don’t even know my
guidance counselor’s name. I think I saw her once in four years. Right so like. I went because my parents wanted me to go. Like it’s really so my mom just didn’t I don’t think she would have known how to answer the question
of like why didn’t he there was so much social peer pressure at that point that if you did not go you were
such a fundamental loser. And it’s so different now. Probably why I have so much passion for it because if you don’t think that I think that I would be further along and happier. And happier. Look I made some great friends and some great times but like four years. Damn it. 1994, 5, 6 and 7. During the Web 1.0 bubble. (mouth noise) – This is a video from Richard.

“dear Gary, in episode 122 you
say at 22 to 24 don’t settle. “What is the settling age? “I thought you should never settle?” – That’s so weird that’s so funny. – That’s coming right from
something he told you. – Yes, yes. What’s interesting is
we just talked about it though how I just said from 20 to 30 that’s funny that’s interesting timing. I think first of all I
think every goddamn answer on this show has to be very personal meaning, if you and your boyfriend or girlfriend. Have a baby when you’re both seventeen because that’s what happened in your life practicality enters your world. – Casey I was just at Casey’s. – That’s exactly right. Practicality comes knocking. What’s up man practicality here. You’re a different 17 year old because you have a child coming. – Something you’re going to know you’re going to have to raise a child. – So for every single
person that’s watching. I think practicality or settling, because they’re cousins they don’t have to be the exact same thing but their cousins in them, comes at different times. I do think. Look I know a lot of 40 to 50 year olds that are still living in outer space and dreaming. And I think there’s diminishing returns at some level around that. Especially if it hasn’t happened already. Unless their happy. Unless their happy. – But isn’t practicality
the thing you dip into because you can be living your dream. Pretending live in fantasy land but you’ve got to pay rent. You’ve got to eat. And sometimes that actually dip into real life. Is what motivates your passion. Those two things they. – That’s Casey’s favorite answer, right? – Is it? Casey’s favorite answer, I think he said in the show was do something you hate. to realize how much you
want to do something else. Go wash dishes like he did. – Unbelievably motivating. – What the thing you did the most, in your life, what’s the thing you did the most that you hated? – I went to school for fucking ever. – Yeah. – Forever. – From six to 18 I hated life. – That’s why I love it so much now. I’m not in fucking English class. – Seriously we got to put a
filter on this culturally. This is a real thing. People are going to college
for all the wrong reasons. Do you need a piece a paper that says you have to have
a piece of paper to cut someone open? I want my doctor to be certified. I want my airline pilot to be certified. Anything else? Why, maybe there’s some value there. If you’re exploring. If you’re trying to figure your shit out schools a reasonable thing. The average person graduates
college at $35,200 in debt. That’s the average. So for everybody who
graduates with only 10 grand, there’s someone who graduates with 50. That’s bullshit. – Preaching. I’ve been pumping out some serious content around this issue. So the answer is it
different for everybody. Some people get practical at 16. They don’t have that risk tolerance. – Or you figure it out. There is a practicality
when you figure out what you want to do. Then you got to get to work. Would you call that practical? – Here’s what I truly think. I think shit is really hitting the fan. The Internet, I don’t know if you’ve heard of it obviously all of us have, it’s only 20 years old. I know it’s been around for a long time. I know there’s nerds that say, I know. I mean when Windows 95 came out, normal people started
going on the Internet we are 20 years into this thing. This thing is fundamentally
the biggest culture shift of our time.
– For sure. – They’ve changed everything. We’re just starting and all the rules need to be thought about in a very aggressive way because there’s so many
alternatives to the way that we always thought. The amount of people that go to college Because that’s what their parents want because their parents were
sold on the propaganda of college before that– – It’s literally about
their ego most of the time. – 100 percent. – My son went to this, went to this. – I made a shirt called Shmarvard. That is literally my
number one selling t-shirt. It’s not even close. – I saw it. Is it blue? – Yes, yes. India? – I didn’t know the story that’s good. – [Voiceover] Isham asked,

“college dropouts at VaynerMedia?” – Do you, and have you, yes! Where’s the, Stephan, Lee Jeneau, like, we’ve got ’em, we’ve got ’em. (laughter) This is not something that
even registers in my mind, as a matter of fact, you guys
know how I feel about school, pretty hard core. I’ve gotten hit up on
Twitter a bunch of times, that says VaynerMedia has this need for, two years of, I don’t know,
college, like, whatever. Whatever our requirements are, and I didn’t even know. I assume that we did
that as a standard thing, that HR at one point did it. A.J. or Kelly when she
was Managing Director, or somebody in HR. And literally I reached
out and we’ve changed it. I think we’ve added, like, or have, I didn’t even know Staphon was or wasn’t. Like, that doesn’t even register for me. If you’ve got the skills,
you’ve got the skills. I have no idea, once you get in here. Whether you go to Harvard, or you’re from Schmarvard,
it doesn’t matter. The game starts and then
that’s what ends up mattering. – [Voiceover] Schmarvard College shirt? – Schmarvard College shirt is a good idea.

“should never take a loan
to study entrepreneurship. “what should they do instead?” – I believe that if you go to college and collect debt to be an
entrepreneur, not a doctor, not a lawyer, not a
consultant at Baynor McKinsey where you have to go to
an Ivy League school, graduate and leverage that. But a true entrepreneur,
like father and brother, go out there and hustle, be a merchant. You know, that to me
is a crazy proposition to collect debt for in a 2016 world. So what I think they should
do instead is go work. Literally just go work,
I mean think about it, instead of going $80,000 in
debt, you can go work for $1 and be way up in the pot,
you can work for free and be on the way positive. And speaking of that, that
speaks to my next strategy. Go work for somebody,
a woman that you admire the way she did it and
take a lot less money working in her organization
than somebody else because you’re trying to
sap the IP out of her, out of that leadership. So not only go work, go work for the lowest
possible way you can survive. Go live with four roommates
in a studio apartment and eat fast food if you have too. You can go lose that weight
later, like the I did. The bottom line is you need to go work in an environment that inspires you and really you want it to be a place that you want to be like. To go work for somebody
that you want to be like is a tremendous value
proposition for an entrepreneur. When I think about what Andy and DRock have been affected by through osmosis, they’re probably scared to think about some of the tendencies they now have that are my tendencies
because I’ve affected it. It’s crazy how it works, it’s crazy, you should see the ego all 600 people at VaynerMedia walk around
with, it’s disgusting. But the bottom line is
it’s affected from the top so go work for somebody you
admire and want to replicate and regardless of the cost,
if you’re a true entrepreneur. – [Voiceover] Elite Sports Tipster asks,

code has made in that should do in order
to guarantee success as a tech entrepreneur after college thanks very simply that it’s a good point before I get into it
is a good good moment to tell everybody to keep pumping out questions I am very
much watching and sending India stuff I really want more more videos Instagram or Twitter hashtag get a scary
be there something about this kid that really stuck with me I’m gonna go into
production I fundamentally believe this kid is gonna be massively successful
email me this video in 12 years saying hey cool and so you know what I really
want to tell you is to hang around to hang around people that you that you
want to be like without another person sometime more fans than whatever time hang around as many people that you want
to be like as possible I’m a funny feeling you have all the pieces now
about the connections connections are grossly underestimated I would in turn
every summer between now and whenever you’re ready to your own thing people
that you want to be like for people who want to be like organizations that you
want to be like network networking was clearly the thing that i watch the video
and I was like network did just get out there meetup.com you people go on Twitter
Search just say hey to people join as many networks get yourself out there
into the real world to give gaps say hi to India’s went to college you know that
kind of thing just get out there and say hello to people meet as many people and
be around like minded people be around like minded people be around winners
hustlers ambitious entrepreneurs spent summers in San Francisco but there’s
texting popping up everywhere but it’s about these 526 internships that you can
sneak in between now and the beginning that I think we’ll have disproportionate
value for you and don’t take an internship at Facebook Apple where you
will never touch the Genesis the seed coat a smaller places that are people
like you want to be like so that you can taste it so you can be close to it been asked to talk a lot of itself when
his you think this can prevent people from pushing past their comfort zone I’m
not sure what means do I think

I don’t love this question,
to be honest with you. I think that there’s 17,000 ways to make supplementary income. You can babysit, you can
collect cans on the street and return it for deposits,
you can go garage sale-ing and flip it, you can to all the
freelance sites in the world and do your thing if
you can design or video, you could become an
Uber driver, you can mow fuckin’ lawns, like what kind
of question is that, India? I think the answer to that question is, the way you make supplemental
income is to put in work. – [India] I thought you were
gonna tell ’em to quit school. – You can quit school, too, but I mean, that question stinks. It’s a stinky question, and
I’m sorry, I know you watch the show, I love you, I love you. This is straight tough love. It’s a mentality thing,
not a tactical thing. There’s eight billion ways to make money, we’re in god damn America. Or, if you’re not, 98% of the countries in the world, you can make money. Go work at McDonald’s. – [India] From Perth Champagne Club,

“today and didn’t have your family business “how would you handle the job market?” – Natalie thank you so much. Big shout out to
everybody who’s out in LA. That was a really phenomenal
night for me as well. A lot of peeps came out, I appreciate it. Well, first of all, I wouldn’t
attack the job market, because even at the age of nine or ten, long before I even realized
my parents had a liquor store as my dad managed that store and was buying into a business I was already slinging, as
you heard in episode 118, you know blue curtains and alarm clocks. And clearly you’ve heard
the stories of lemonade and baseball cards. There is no attacking the
job market from my DNA because I would try to start a business especially right now. I would completely take
advantage of the fact that there is an enormous
amount of dumb money trying to become
investors in start-ups. Meaning, unlike the
generation where I became an angel investor in
2009, 2008, 2010, 2011. Right now every dentist,
every real estate agent, every trust fund baby in
their thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, and eighties anybody who had a good
career on Wall Street is now an investor looking
for their Mark Zuckerberg. I would take advantage of that. I would network. I assume if I was in college
I would ask professors. I would ask friends and family. I would just ask. I think when you’re at the bottom, asking is quite important. And so I would ask for at bats, try to network. I would use the incredible
tool that is known as Twitter and I would be replying
to people that I aspire to get in touch with. I don’t, you know it’s funny
to me to see the people that give up after asking to meet with me for a few minutes, after three or four nos. And I know that I’m inducing
now a ton of Twitter chatter to meet with me. And I hope you saw the
video I made for myself, the advice I’ve given myself. DRock, give them a two second clip. I need to get my shit together so I apologize I’m letting you down. But the truth is I need
to heed to this advice I’m giving myself. You know, so I won’t see you but I would have saw you six months ago and Cuban, or Jack Welsh,
or Zucks, or Elon Musk, you just never know when they’ll
actually sit down with you. And then there’s a
million people that maybe you don’t know who’ve been successful, who’ve got leverage, who’ve got money. And so I would attack the
reality of the marketplace. And the reality of the
marketplace right this second is tons of cash, looking
for young people with ideas. I think it’s a broken bubble. I think that gets exposed. I think 99% of people
are not going to deliver on that investment. I think I’d be one of the 1% that would deliver on that investment. So I’d be looking for while in college and like I did in college instead of looking to
hook-up and do keg stands I’d be looking for business partners and business opportunities. I think for anybody else
that is not wired like me which I think is a far majority
of this show’s audience I would tell you this piece of advice. If you were 22 years old, if you were the amount of people that settle for the first paying job versus living with 19 friends on the floor and eating 99 cent meals blows my mind in lieu of trying to get your dream job versus what you’ve settled for. Please from 22 to 24 don’t settle. Go for your dream job. Pound for it. And if you can’t get
into VaynerMedia (ping) then go for the second
best, or third best, or fourth best on your list. Please start with the
moon and go backwards. The amount of you that start at a hilltop and just settle there
is an enormous mistake because 22 to 24 is when you should live really, really humble, ghetto, dirt. Like that’s it,
that’s the time. To settle in in the
middle only lends itself to so much upside. So aspire for as high as you possibly can and be patient. it sucks not having a job in September when all your friends do. Or your friends that were
juniors the year before are going back to school
and the pressure is on and maybe your parents don’t
like that you don’t have a job but that’s exactly when you
should be buying random stuff at Goodwill and selling it
on eBay to pay your $80.00 worth of rent because you
have 94 roommates in a studio. That’s it, get dirty. Cause, and I know a paused there, cause getting dirty is the price to having what you want. The dramatic misunderstanding that amazing things come with a price. A lot of people talk about rich kids. I really negatively look at rich kids because I look negatively at my kids because they’re about to be rich kids. That’s just real. Sorry Xander and Misha, eat it. But you know what comes with the price of being a rich kid? People completely do,
you’ve basically lost in the game of winners. You’ve basically from day
one you were born into money. You actually aren’t
good, you were handed it. You suck.
That’s it, you’ve lost. That’s the price that comes along with it. And take it from somebody
who cried everyday because his dad had a
small family business and I was petrified because
I knew I had the talent that everybody would say
things were handed to me. Cried everyday with my mom on the phone I’m not coming into the family business even though I could help it, even though I want to, I don’t. Because then everybody is going to say, that it was handed to me. In the scheme of things I was an idiot I didn’t realize how
small it was to the world. But everything’s got a price. Everything’s got a price. You’re beautiful?! LIfe is much better when you’re beautiful. That’s what we all say.
I agree with that. But, more realistically, you
get completely disrespected. You get disrespected. You can’t be smart, you can’t be good, you’re just too beautiful. I’m serious. I’m really tired of people
thinking everybody’s got it better. Everybody has advantages. You know what the
advantages of being ghetto and on welfare and being
nothing and having nothing being a child of a homeless parent. You know what the advantage is? You’re (bleep) angry. You’ve got a ridiculous
chip on your shoulder. You want to stick it to everybody. All of ’em. Use what you’ve got.
Use what you’ve got.